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Baby Jinx

"It was my privilege to be your friend and guide when you came from the schoolroom to prepare for the world of life."

It appears that Mina is somewhat older than Lucy, which explains Lucy's childish enthusiasm compared with Mina's matronly and dutiful behaviors. Anyone remember how old Lucy is supposed to be? Was it 19?

Elizabeth

"I do believe the dear soul thought I might be jealous..." If Mina only knew! :)

Here's an interestring point. This paragraph was excised from the paperback edition published by Constable in 1901. Stoker was (presumably)asked to cut about 25,000 words (or 15%) from the original text for a cheaper edition. A few years ago, when researching for my first book _Reflections on Dracula_ I did a text-to-text comparison and recorded every omission. It is quite remarkable to note the excision of what for us today are key passages. This is just one of them.

Makes one wonder. Why did Stoker select certain passages? Obviously some were considered expendable. But others, at least to us today, seem to be key omissions. In such cases, is it possible that Stoker was aware of some of the sexual subtext? Another question: Should the 1901 text, given that it's the author's "final word" be recognized as the "legitimate" text?

I can expand on this phenomenon, if anyone is interested. At least I can point out other examples of excisions as we move along.

Elizabeth

Re Lucy's age.

Yes, she is 19 (mentioned in Chapter 5). Mina's age is not given. As far as I recall, the only other ages provided are those of Dr Seward (29) and Renfield (59). Hey - there's a numerical sequence: 19, 29, 59... Has anyone come up with a theory based on this? :) :)

Baby Jinx

Re: Stoker's legitimate text

I think you can make any case for Stoker's legitimate text depending upon how you define "legitimate." If "legitimate" means his most edited version, then the 1901 version qualifies. If so, then I rather prefer the "illegitimate" version, as I like reading the asides and expendable information. It adds to the flavor and understanding of the story. The same thing happened to Stephen King when he first started out...with publishers cutting down his works (King can be very verbose). Once he became famous, out came all the "uncut" versions of his novels.

Baby Jinx

Re: age progression: 19, 29, 59...

19 + 10 = 29
29 + 30 = 59
59 + 50 = 109

Was anyone in the story 109 years old? :)

HP

"I can expand on this phenomenon, if anyone is interested."

Yes, please. I'm interested.

Elizabeth

Re the 1901 edition. I certainly prefer the 1897 text. But it is intriguing to examine some of the passages that Stoker excised. For anyone who is interested, I have uploaded an article I've had published to my Dracula Research Centre site [www.blooferland.com/drc]. Just click on "Bram Stoker/Dracula: Miscellaneous Articles" and you'll find it. At the end of the article is an appendix which details the major deletions from 1897 to 1901. If we accept that Stoker deleted what he considered expendable, then some of these might surprise you.

Guinn Berger

This is a remarkably touching passage, something which I did not appreciate at my first reading of _Dracula_ as a teen-ager. Some lines, as fusty as the language might appear to a modern reader, brougnt actual tears to my eyes, which surprised me.

The reason, of course, is that I know what happens later in the story, and it makes the romantic, hopeful sentiments which Mina shares with Lucy all the more poignant.

Writing-desk Raven

Huh? re. to Buda-Pesth
East to Hamburg by sea when Budapest (Budapesth) is southeast? By sea when by rail could be far faster? The longer route would likely be slower. (Cf. 19_augustjoy_jo.html#comment-10351542) Was border crossing England--France--German Reich--Austria-Hungary that much more difficult than England--German Reich--Austria-Hungary?
I dunno, maybe the routes were about the same in convenience, though the rail route not taken would likely have been better appointed as well. Apparently our heroine did not take the OE.

Writing-desk Raven

"he does not remember anything that has happened to him for a long time past. At least, he wants me to believe so, and I shall never ask.

[...] Sister Agatha, who is a good creature and a born nurse, tells me that he wanted her to tell me what they were, but she would only cross herself, and say she would never tell."

That is quite at odds with what is known about healing emotional trauma, at least long known by empirical medical lore. It is a measure of distance between Mina and Jonathan's world and ours today that just at the time they were married in Budapest, Dr. Freud had his first now-famouse paper published (1893), with the more fully developed study published two years before the novel. Unfortunately for our heroes, they were trapped by the rigid attitudes of an authoritarian dogma at the very time that Reason was literally so close at hand, seeing a way of escape. And at that time English was not the pre-eminent language of the sciences and arts. Freud's first major paper was not translated until 1909.

The paragraph in the novel further illustrates how characters in the story so unwittingly contribute to their own misfortune.
-W-d R

Hypatia

> so unwittingly contribute
and contribute so poignantly, as Ms. Berger illuminated another passage with her comment. Mina to Lucy illustrates how remarkably in tune and aware Mina can be with others. Ms. Berger, just imagine how readers would feel, back in the day, when they hadn't yet heard the stories or seen the movies.

"That the ravings of the sick were the secrets of God" is interestingly rather at odds with mental health, indeed of medicine and science. Is Stoker planting another seedling here? As Einstein and Hawking (among many) have famously pointed out, knowing the secrets of God is a way of saying just what science is all about seeking. What is the Grail of Dr. Seward's profession?

David

SPOILER ALERT:


That "authoritarian dogma" and its instruments (crucifixes, etc.) will be successfully deployed against the Count, not the "fruits of modern reason" (unless we count hypnosis as a "fruit of modern reason").

Thanks to Elizabeth for referencing the article regarding Catholicism in Dracula from the Journal of Dracula Studies.

Baby Jinx

"That "authoritarian dogma" and its instruments (crucifixes, etc.) will be successfully deployed against the Count..."

I'm not so sure about that. As I remember it [SPOILER TO FOLLOW], Dracula is destroyed in the end by two very ordinary knives, one which is plunged into his heart, the other which shears through his throat.

Writing-desk Raven

Re. authoritarian dogma
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at the time they were married in Budapest, Dr. Freud had his first now-famous paper published (1893), [...] Unfortunately for our heroes, they were trapped by [...] rigid attitudes [...] at the very time that Reason was literally so close at hand, seeing a way of escape.
>
'sorry I wasn't more clear, (David, BJ). This was *not* about articles of faith. I was intimating about mental health practice and that people weren't allowed to share their hearts, whether in personal relationships or clinical settings--and this at the very time the medical world was so changing (though unknown in English for some twenty more years). This is also another illustration of distance between the world of the story and today.

** SPOILER ALERT **


This not sharing personal secrets does much ill fortune for numerous protagonists in the story. My apolgies for seeming to disparage faith. I submit that one of the powers of the story is the fantastic way Stoker mixes these different world views of faith, reason, and supernatural.

Writing-desk Raven

A pause in the pace of the current story, so thoughts back to contexts.
Baby Jinx wrote,
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explains Lucy's childish enthusiasm compared with Mina's matronly and dutiful behaviors.
>
I dunno, mebbe it's from the movies, but I've always thought of Mina (and especially Lucy) as kinda hot. They're both adults, Lucy has three current suitors. Mina is unlikely to be more than some few years older, since spinsterhood was brandished early in those days (and her Jonathan is just starting out as a white-collar professional). Life expectancy was a little less. Mina's and Lucy's attitudes could be seen as more sisterly, or like girlfriends of different school years, particularly since they occasionally sleep together, in a very non-lascivious way. From such as more than a few descriptions of clothing--in rather romantic circumstances like window sills, moonlit nights, and not wanting to be seen by strangers, it has been more than implicit that they inhabit their minimal attire rather well. And the mysterious beauties in the Count's castle made pretty clear that Dracula at least sometimes has impeccable taste in his intended victims. For a proper Victorian novel all this could be pretty racy, while still retaining seemliness.
-W-d R

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